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SIGNET RINGS : Wedding bands - I notice N. Americans wear the band on the left hand. My fatherexplained that this is a working man's accomodation to hard physicallabour - the right hand being used to hold tools, reins, etc. the ring gotin the way. Gentlemen could continue to wear their bands on the right hand.I believe this story is merely that.Signet rings - Signet rings set with arms engraved into a semi-precious stone are morecommon in Europe. They might be worn on the middle or ring finger. They arefor the most part too large to be worn on a pinkie. They are not stored awaybut commonly worn certainly when going out. The whole achievement is usedand not a crest. Badges being less common are also not used. Regarding thePrince of Wales' 'pinkie ring' with his badge. I had thought that badgeswere for servants, employees or retainers in the English tradition ratherthan a personal device.
SIGNET RINGS : *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeed.com ***I hope this is appropriate to post here, if not I appologise.I wish to have a signet ring made of my familiewapen. They arms do belongto me now as all the research has been done and they are in process ofbeing registered. Anyway I want to do this "historically correct". Whatwas included on the rings as far as shield, supports, crown etc...My family was from the Netherlands and goes back over 1000 years as I'msure natioanlaity matters in these customs (then again maybe not)Please excuse the amatuerish questions but that is what I am and feltheralds would be the best to ask. -----= Posted via Newsfeed.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!-----== 100,000 Groups! - 19 Servers! - Unlimited Download! =-----It's customary for an American to wear a signet ring on the righthand, on the "ring finger" (third over from thumb, the finger betweenmiddle and "pinkie"); I think it more appropriate for a European towear it on the same finger of the left hand due to different customsvis-a-vis wedding rings/bands, but someone actually European may verywell correct me on this.
SIGNET RINGS : Regarding what to have put on the ring, I think you could go severaloptions:A. with a simple crest, i.e, all above (and including) the torse (orcrest-wreath) or crest coronet.B. with a simple escutcheon or shield of the arms, surmounted by anyensign of rank (i.e., coronet denoting noble rank) if appropriate.C. shield or escutcheon, helm, crest, and mantling. This seems to bethe standard for the mass-produced rings from the Family Coats Of Armsindustry. But it doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. The mantlingdoes a nice job, as it was probably originally intended to do, offilling-in any "dead space" to the sides of the shield along the flattop of the signet ring. Your supporters, if any, could do equallywell.You do want to keep in mind that the more of the heraldic elements youinclude, the more the artist will have to squeeze into a fairlylimited space available, thus the smaller such things as the actualshield and its charges will become.
SIGNET RINGS : Personally, I have a heraldic signet ring showing the crest (includingcrest coronet). But I'm in the process of ordering one which willshow the shield with coronet.It occurs to me that it's probably easiest if `up' is toward the index finger. Are rings ever made that way?There are signet rings with the longer axis of the oval parallel tothe ring and not perpendicular to it, but they are not that common.But having it the other way shouldn't be much of a practical obstacle.In at least my normal way of putting down one's fist against a tablewithout thinking of what one is doing, the forearm comes out at anangle of about 45 degrees, halfway between sideways and forwards.In article , says...Just out of curiosity, why do you have a coronet?The 1999 edition of _Hoe_Hoort_het_Eigenlijk_, by Amy Groskamp-tenHave, completely revised by Reinildis van Ditzhuyzen, explains thesignet ring conventions for the Netherlands. Here's a translatedparaphrase:1. Signet rings should only have a coat of arms on them.2. Men wear their coat of arms in a shield, unmarried women weartheir coat of arms in a lozenge (diamond shape), and married womenwear their own family's arms in an oval. [If I were a woman gettingmarried, though, I wouldn't get a new ring... Also, remember that inthe Netherlands, a coat of arms belongs to a family, not to anindividual; differencing is rare.]3. Women wear their own family's coat of arms, never their husband'sarms.4. Helm, crest, mantle, and supporters are optional on the signetring; whether they are included depends on the wishes of the wearerand the space on the stone.5. The ring is always made of gold.6. The stone must be a hard stone, such as agate ("agaat", a bluelayered stone), heliotrope ("heliotroop", dark green), sapphire("saffier"), garnet ("granaat", red), citrine ("citrien", yellow). There are also signet rings that are wholly made of gold, where thearms are engraved in the gold.7. These days, most Dutch jewelers have signet rings made in Germany;this specialization has been lost in the Netherlands.8. In some families, it's a tradition to give sons and daughters asignet ring for their eighteenth or twenty-first birthday.9. One wears a ring on the ring finger. However, index finger iseasier if you plan to actually seal things often; in fact, the indexfinger was the signet ring finger in previous centuries. Pinkie isalso possible.10. If you don't have a family coat of arms, don't wear a signet ring. A flat signet ring (disparagingly called "Lord Gladstone") is notacceptable, nor is a monogram.11. Just FYI, the Pope wears a gold signet ring called the "Ring ofthe Fisherman"; on it is Peter pulling a fishnet out of the sea witharound him the name of the Pope. At the Pope's death, the ring isbroken in two or buried with him. [Actually, it's always broken; Idon't know whether it's also buried with the Pope, though.] Hissuccessor gets a new ring.(Pp. 111-112.)
SIGNET RINGS : Occasionally I've seen queries here about what women are entitled to wear onsignet rings. Having a personal interest in the matter, I wrote to theCollege of Arms recently and this is the answer I received:"It is indeed the case that women do not bear crests (a crest being thedevice shown above the shield in a complete coat of arms). They arehowever fully entitled to use the shield, and this is what should appear ontheir signet rings. Unmarried women generally display their arms on alozenge (a diamond-shaped shield). However, one alternative is an ovalshape, and this is usually preferable to a lozenge when the arms are inquarterly form. This is the case with your daughters' arms".-- SachaI knew women didn't "have crests", & I knew about the lozenge, but I've neverheard about the oval!! Thanks for postingthat!!
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